How could I achieve to have the same loudness for all of the tracks in a playlis

[Biff]

How could I achieve to have the same loudness for all of the tracks in a playlist?

Anything I try does not work:


I am hearing classical pieces with a wide range of differences of the loudness and I have to adjust the volume all the time:

[Artem]

You should calculate replay gain for all track and write this information to tags. It can be done with our advanced tag editor.

[ᛤᚤᛠᛥⴲ 👽]

Biff,

Hello!

I will give you a solution, not as simple as the one offered by Artem, but more professional.

• First of all, make a copy of all those files in that playlist. Copy them to a new folder.
• Then, download MP3Gain, a powerful yet very easy to use program.
• Drag that folder to the MP3Gain window.
• See the sreenshot below: set and click on the Album Analysis button to parse the MP3 tracks and once it's complete, set and click on the Album Gain button to the right to apply that loudness level to all tracks in that folder.
• Now load that folder in AIMP —all of those track should sound balanced, as if those belonged to a same album.

Please, note MP3Gain only works with MP3 files, not FLAC.

[Biff]

Thank you, Artem.

Hello ЌИГЯФ,

Thank you very much. I will do it like that. Actually I had hoped the on the fly option would work so I would not have to change the tags because - among other things - I want to do a scan for duplicates (by content) in some time and when changing the tags those files are not recognized as duplicates anymore. But I guess when one removes those tags the files will get the same checksum they had before.

Many thanks again

[ᛤᚤᛠᛥⴲ 👽]

I told you to copy those files to a new folder because I didn't want you to overwrite the original files' loudness gain. Instead, I prefer you to test them with copies of the original files. Just in case, you know.

By the way, here is the difference between Artem's method and the one I offered with MP3Gain:

• The option Artem gave you: The AIMP Advance Tag Editor parses your tracks and optionally writes TrackGain values and AlbumGain values to the audio files. It just adds metadata to the files —the audio data themselves are not modified in anyway.
• The option I gave you parses your tracks and optionally overwrite audio data to audio files. It is useful for compilation CDs by oneself as well as using these audio gain values in players that are not compatible with the ReplayGain feature. That is why I have suggested you to copy those files instead of overwrite the original ones.

Anyway, if you have any question about MP3Gain or loudness normalization, just reply here. Tell us if the MP3Gain program did what you expected to.

[Biff]

I told you to copy those files to a new folder because I didn't want you to overwrite the original files' loudness gain. Instead, I prefer you to test them with copies of the original files. Just in case, you know.

Yes, yes, of course, but to copy 80 GB (in this case) of music files might be a bit unconfortable. And above all to handle both of them the originals and the duplicates.

The AIMP Advance Tag Editor parses your tracks and optionally writes TrackGain values and AlbumGain values to the audio files.

I am wondering why there obviously is no option to store those TrackGain valuse outside of the music files, e.g. in a separate file. I guess, because there is no player which could read such. Or an option some kind like "on the fly" which automatically analyses the tracks before playing them, adds the tags and after playing the tags are removed automatically so the music files had the same state / checksum like they had before.

It just adds metadata to the files —the audio data themselves are not modified in anyway.

That would be acceptable may be but not that good.

The option I gave you parses your tracks and optionally overwrite audio data to audio files.

Audio data is the data of the music / the content of the file? That would not be good at all actually.

That is why I have suggested you to copy those files instead of overwrite the original ones.

Yes, I understand, but to handle the originials and the duplicates is extremely unconforable for me, I would say.

Anyway, if you have any question about MP3Gain or loudness normalization, just reply here. Tell us if the MP3Gain program did what you expected to.

Thank you very much! Well, it is a great program, I suppose, actually I never had understand how it really works. I never had understand (and heard) the difference between track and album analysis. And "Constant gain", seems to be a new option.

Some years or so ago I had used MP3gain but I never had achieved it that the normalization works the way I want. There always were left to big differences between the volumes.

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I am wondering why there obviously is no option to store those TrackGain valuse outside of the music files, e.g. in a separate file. I guess, because there is no player which could read such.

Very probably, yeah.

Audio data is the data of the music / the content of the file?

Precisely, it's the music itself, not the metadata.

to handle the originials and the duplicates is extremely unconforable for me, I would say.

I'm not saying you should that with those 80 GB. Just try with a folder or with a few tracks belonging to the same album.

I never had understand (and heard) the difference between track and album analysis.

TrackGain analyses every single track per se, individually, as if every track belongs to a different album. AlbumGain analyses all the tracks into a folder and applies the same AlbumGain value to all the tracks added to the program at once. As you can imagine, this option is the right one to give the same loudness to all tracks of the same album, in context.

Just in the weird case you would want to add single tracks from several, different genres to the same playlist, you should use TrackGain. So, an ambient track wouldn't sound THAT quiet next to a heavy metal track, for instance.

[Biff]

I'm not saying you should that with those 80 GB. Just try with a folder or with a few tracks belonging to the same album.

Yes, yes, sorry, I do not understand, why test it with a folder or a few tracks when I cannot use it for the 80 GB files? What is it good for?

TrackGain analyses every single track per se, individually, as if every track belongs to a different album. AlbumGain analyses all the tracks into a folder and applies the same AlbumGain value to all the tracks added to the program at once. As you can imagine, this option is the right one to give the same loudness to all tracks of the same album, in context.

I am not quite sure, so TrackGain handles a special amount of track, e.g. 1000, as if them were one single album? I would want the albums be handles as if they were one single ablum, so I gues I would have to use TrackGain then, is that right?

Just in the weird case you would want to add single tracks from several, different genres to the same playlist, you should use TrackGain. So, an ambient track wouldn't sound THAT quiet next to a heavy metal track, for instance.

The problem I have with listening to that classical music is, that within one track the range can be from extremely quiet to extremely loud, either I do not hear anything or there is a hell of a noise. So I want the quiet parts to be much more louder and the loud parts much more lower to get almost the same level. And the same with track to track and album to album.
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why test it with a folder or a few tracks when I cannot use it for the 80 GB files? What is it good for?

I told you to try this loudness balance thing with a couple of tracks instead with all of your music, just in case you don't like the final results. Imagine yourself by overwriting 80 GB of audio and then you realize you don't like it at all. What are you going to do in that case? Those 80 GB were overwritten already —you can't go back to their previous state.

so TrackGain handles a special amount of track, e.g. 1000, as if them were one single album?

TrackGain treats tracks individually, as if every track in a folder was the only one. This method doesn't count on the context. If you add 1,000 tracks to a single folder and then apply AlbumGain instead, then it will treat all those 1,000 files as if they were in the same album.

The problem I have with listening to that classical music is, that within one track the range can be from extremely quiet to extremely loud, either I do not hear anything or there is a hell of a noise. So I want the quiet parts to be much more louder and the loud parts much more lower to get almost the same level. And the same with track to track and album to album.

I understand what you're talking about. But that is how classical music sounds naturally. I even went to the Teatro Colón opera house and listened to classical music in a 90 minutes concert and it sounded just like you said: some fragments were very quiet and some other… geez! Well, there is actually a some kind of real time normalization feature that tries all the time to pump the volume up. It's the Normalize volume feature in your screenshot above. Enable it and try to set the Upper threshold of preamp option to 6,00 dB or any similar value. I must warning you that the behaviour of this option is very unreal to music, but it might help you with your request.

[Biff]

I told you to try this loudness balance thing with a couple of tracks instead with all of your music, just in case you don't like the final results. Imagine yourself by overwriting 80 GB of audio and then you realize you don't like it at all. What are you going to do in that case? Those 80 GB were overwritten already —you can't go back to their previous state.

Yes, yes, very sorry, OK, I see, I am not able to explain what I mean.

TrackGain treats tracks individually, as if every track in a folder was the only one.

So that means, the volume within a track is normalized, leveled but the voulume between the tracks isn't what means, the volume within a track has one / the same / almost the same level and the volume of the next track can be completely different to the one before and the one after. That would not help me in this case, I guess.

If you add 1,000 tracks to a single folder and then apply AlbumGain instead, then it will treat all those 1,000 files as if they were in the same album.

And if you have different albums in different folders? Is the volume of one album in one folder leveled and the next album might have a much more higher / lower level? So it is the same like TrackGain, but referred to albums?

I understand what you're talking about. But that is how classical music sounds naturally.

Yes, but I do not want this, it is senseless for me.

I understand what you're talking about. But that is how classical music sounds naturally. I even went to the Teatro Colón opera house and listened to classical music in a 90 minutes concert and it sounded just like you said: some fragments were very quiet and some other… geez!

Sounds very great, if I were there I would also go to that Teatro...but no way obviously to normalize the guys playing the music.

Well, there is actually a some kind of real time normalization feature that tries all the time to pump the volume up. It's the Normalize volume feature in your screenshot above. Enable it and try to set the Upper threshold of preamp option to 6,00 dB or any similar value. I must warning you that the behaviour of this option is very unreal to music, but it might help you with your request.

Yes, I had tried some settings there but without a big success, these ones seems to work a little better, but I do not know how to improve the normalization:

[ᛤᚤᛠᛥⴲ 👽]

And if you have different albums in different folders? Is the volume of one album in one folder leveled and the next album might have a much more higher / lower level? So it is the same like TrackGain, but referred to albums?

AlbumGain is designed to apply the same loudness to a set of tracks, all at the same time. This is specially useful for custom compilation CDs, since original albums and original compilation CDs are already set to be play with the same loudness along all tracks.

So, to make this function work properly, you have to add individual albums or individual compilated folders into MP3Gain. If you add several folders at once and apply AlbumGain, MP3Gain will treat all those albums/folders as if they were from one album, for obvious reasons.

Anyway, I guess TrackGain nor AlbumGain is what you need.

[Biff]

Yes, I would think so, too. Actually I would suppose Aimp's tag editor

does the same or something similar, at least working as well as Mp3Gain.

Thank you very much!

[AndreyT]

By the way, here is the difference between Artem's method and the one I offered with MP3Gain:

• The option Artem gave you: The AIMP Advance Tag Editor parses your tracks and optionally writes TrackGain values and AlbumGain values to the audio files. It just adds metadata to the files —the audio data themselves are not modified in anyway.
• The option I gave you parses your tracks and optionally overwrite audio data to audio files. It is useful for compilation CDs by oneself as well as using these audio gain values in players that are not compatible with the ReplayGain feature. That is why I have suggested you to copy those files instead of overwrite the original ones.

This is actually misleading. For some reason this myth about MP3Gain is actively perpetuated on the Net, despite all our efforts to combat it.

There's absolutely no difference between how MP3Gain works and what Artem suggested. MP3Gain never modifies or overwrites the actual audio data. MP3Gain simply changes a single gain value stored in MP3 file tags. This value is just a gain coefficient, stored separately from the actual audio data. The audio data remains completely untouched. Everything MP3Gain does is completely "lossless", in a sense that it is always 100% reversible with no losses.

What Artem suggested is exactly the same.